Why the USA is racking up the debt …

by | Oct 17, 2011 | Economic Intrigue, Please fuck off., Politics, Random musings, Strange Thoughts, UK Misery, Well I never. | 2 comments

ZeroHedge has an interesting series of 10 charts from Pew Policy Institute demonstrating the dire state of US finances, with the one below showing exactly why the US is in a financial quagmire :

Going from revenue covering expenditure leaving a healthy surplus in 2001 to a shortfall of 9% GDP in 2011 is a spending hole of Brownian proportions.

More disturbing perhaps is the explosion in Government spending which has grown by a full third (in GDP terms) in 10 years.

Viewed in monetery terms, the UK is not that much better at keeping the purse strings tightened (very useful source here) :

For the sake of an apples with apples comparison, UK GDP was £1021 billion in 2001 with spending at £362 billion or 35% of GDP. In 2011, GDP had increased to £1527 billion and spending to £683 billion or 45% of GDP. Whilst only increasing by one quarter in GDP terms over the same period as the US data above, it’s worth noting how much higher government spending is here at 45% of GDP currently compared with 24% in the US.

Do we really get that much more for our money here or is it just the size of the bloated welfare state and National Death Service?

2 Comments

  1. MarkyMark

    While I don’t doubt that overall Governmental spending to GDP is higher in the US i’m not sure that the comparison figures that you use are entirely fair as the US has a further layer of government compared to the UK [excluding scotland and the EU for the moment] and that is the state governments. State governments in the US tax and spend quite a bit too and their spending would be excluded from that 24%. Also, in the US the local municipalities also tax and spends possibly more than in the UK – eg. New York City is responsible for paying for a lot of sevices (eg police) which would be the responsibility of the national government.

    • Wasp

      MarkyMark – Good point but then the UK also has it’s additional layer of local government whose spending is on top of the total managed expenditure figures given there I believe.

      Council tax of £25 billion and another £25 billion in fees and charges is another 3.3% of GDP taking the 2011 “government” spending up to more or less 50% of GDP – no wonder we are taxed to buggery here. It would be interesting to find out the true figures for the US and UK on a like for like basis – I may have to have a little dig further now and see what lurks beneath.

      Thinking a little more on your point of direct comparisons, there is also the health service which is centrally funded at around 8% of GDP here but largely supported by insurance payments in the US (as far as I know).

      As an aside, I am not sure if you saw the article on council fees and charges at EU Referendum but it makes an interesting read.